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Since 2022, J.C. Penney has been tight-lipped about its financial details. Its two major owners—Simon Property Group and Brookfield—bought it out of bankruptcy for a cash payment of less than $700 million plus new term debt.acquisition. Since then, the department store's financial health has largely remained a mystery. Last May, J.C. Penney said it was on track to achieve$9 billionin sales for that year.

Simon's CEO David Simon has repeatedly declined to provide more information during REIT conference calls, only noting, as hesaidin February, that Penney is enjoying "incredible profitable EBITDA," and pointing out that while sales are not as strong as in 2021, the new owners are satisfied with its positioning.

During thatcall, Simon also hinted that there are public documents "out there" with more details. That was hard to resist, and senior reporter Daphne Howland set out to find them. The team discussed what she uncovered and what it signals about J.C. Penney's reality and its future.

Retail Dive · The Backroom: Unearthing financial details about J.C. Penney

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Editor's note: This episode was produced and edited by Caroline Jansen.