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Welcome to The Backroom, a window into what goes on behind the scenes as the Retail Dive team covers the stories and trends reshaping retail. You can check out all our podcast episodes (past and present) here and listen on Apple PodcastsiHeartRadio and Spotify​​

There isn’t a retailer that hasn’t been inundated with messages about how artificial intelligence can revolutionize most, if not all, business functions. But how much to believe the hype?

As tariffs loom and a promised level of chaos descends, industry expert Doug Stephens talks to Senior Reporter Daphne Howland about what to expect from AI, the important role of businesses like retailers in society and why optimism is possible over the long term.

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Editor’s note: This episode was produced and edited by Caroline Jansen.